Request Twin tuner and two simultaneous dishes?

markb

markb

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Is it possible to connect two dishes to a twin tuner / Solo 2 so that both tuners can play / record from either dish at the same time?

I use a 2x 1 diseqc switch to connect two dishes to the single tuner in my Solo. Dish 1 = LNB1 AA and Dish 2 = LNB 2 BB. Would this work with twin tuners or would I need dual output LNBs on each dish with a 4 x 2 diseqc switch?

Would appreciate any advice thanks.
 
markb said:
Is it possible to connect two dishes to a twin tuner / Solo 2 so that both tuners can play / record from either dish at the same time?

I use a 2x 1 diseqc switch to connect two dishes to the single tuner in my Solo. Dish 1 = LNB1 AA and Dish 2 = LNB 2 BB. Would this work with twin tuners or would I need dual output LNBs on each dish with a 4 x 2 diseqc switch?

Would appreciate any advice thanks.
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I think it's possible with an Advanced configuration of tuners.
 
Applies in principle to all systems

1.Config Tuner A
2.TUNER B >>> equal to Tuner A

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Example with Positioner :

Tuner A

Configuration Mode simple
Mode Positioner
Longitude
Latitude

Tuner B
equal to tuner A

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Recording from 2 SATs
 

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Matrix10 said:
Applies in principle to all systems

1.Config Tuner A
2.TUNER B >>> equal to Tuner A

===================================

Example with Positioner :

Tuner A

Configuration Mode simple
Mode Positioner
Longitude
Latitude

Tuner B
equal to tuner A

============================================

Recording from 2 SATs
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Does that also apply if both tuners are connected to 2x1 switches linked to two satellites via 2 double lnbs? Hope that makes sense

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I think so

I do not have diseqc switches for test but I think that there is no essential difference
because both are using diseqc controls
switches and positioners.

A little explanation abt equal to A...

If the channels are on the same satellites and have the same polarization
box using the same tuner and same LNB for recording / watching on both channels
If channels are on a different satellites /or on a different polarization on the same satellite/
or different frequency on the same satellite
box uses both tuners and Tuner A has priority.
 
At the moment I've got two satellites connected to tuner B via a diseqc switch, if I connect a one of the satellites to tuner A in addition to this will that work?
I.e. can watch either satellite while recording from tuner A
But can only watch one satellite while recording channel of satellite only attached to the diseqc switch?

Actually, I'll just try it and see what happens LOL.

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Matrix10 said:
Applies in principle to all systems

1.Config Tuner A
2.TUNER B >>> equal to Tuner A

===================================

Example with Positioner :

Tuner A

Configuration Mode simple
Mode Positioner
Longitude
Latitude

Tuner B
equal to tuner A

============================================

Recording from 2 SATs
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So, for example, would this allow tuner A to show channels on dish 1 while tuner B streams channels from dish 2 via the VU Player app remotely (or vice versa) ? Or would this require both dishes to have twin output LNBs with a diseqc switch on each tuner?
 
Matrix10 said:
Sorry,
I can not answer questions that I have not tested,
or can not test.
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No worries, gona try what I said this weekend if can get a moment when baby ain't crawling about and Mrs and mother in law don't want to watch tv!
Gona have to reroute a cable and drill some holes!

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The best way to look at it is as having 2 receivers. You can configure each tuner completely independently from each other as with 2 receivers. The box has a preference for Tuner-A though which is transparant for most setups. If what you ask the box to do is not available via Tuner-A (because it has no access to that channel or beacuse it is busy doing already something else for you) it tries Tuner-B (or Tuner E or D) . If the resource is not accessible via any tuner available then the channels will be grayed in the bouquet view.
Via Tuner Sharing the BH images can even share various Tuner-resources via an inhouse Ethernet network.

Be aware multiple channels may be available concurrently via the same transponder, this likelihood goes up having a Dual Tuner setup. So recording on more that one channel and still viewing something else on another satellite is possible under the right conditions. You may use PIP also to try this out.

Playback never uses a tuner resource. The hard disk is fast enough to do this in parallel too. So you always will be able to record 2 channels on different satellites and playback anything else.

Each Tuner setup can be simple or advanced. For up to 4 satellites via a 2-port or 4-port Diseq switch a simple setup will normally do fine. For more complex setups and Motorised Setups advanced is needed. You may mix both types as well. If you combine a fixed and a motorised setup the last should go to Tuner-B as you want to take advantage of the instant satellite switching on the fixed setup on Tuner-A.
I tried the above on a Dual Tuner UNO which behaves identically to a Solo2. If I get a DUO2 I will reuse the motorized setup again using Tuner-C by moving the new Dual Tuner to the new DUO2. This just for having a peek now and then at all other satellites.

Enjoy the many setup and deployment possibilities of your Solo2!
 
Nice Monkey said:
The best way to look at it is as having 2 receivers. You can configure each tuner completely independently from each other as with 2 receivers. The box has a preference for Tuner-A though which is transparant for most setups. If what you ask the box to do is not available via Tuner-A (because it has no access to that channel or beacuse it is busy doing already something else for you) it tries Tuner-B (or Tuner E or D) . If the resource is not accessible via any tuner available then the channels will be grayed in the bouquet view.
Via Tuner Sharing the BH images can even share various Tuner-resources via an inhouse Ethernet network.

Be aware multiple channels may be available concurrently via the same transponder, this likelihood goes up having a Dual Tuner setup. So recording on more that one channel and still viewing something else on another satellite is possible under the right conditions. You may use PIP also to try this out.

Playback never uses a tuner resource. The hard disk is fast enough to do this in parallel too. So you always will be able to record 2 channels on different satellites and playback anything else.

Each Tuner setup can be simple or advanced. For up to 4 satellites via a 2-port or 4-port Diseq switch a simple setup will normally do fine. For more complex setups and Motorised Setups advanced is needed. You may mix both types as well. If you combine a fixed and a motorised setup the last should go to Tuner-B as you want to take advantage of the instant satellite switching on the fixed setup on Tuner-A.
I tried the above on a Dual Tuner UNO which behaves identically to a Solo2. If I get a DUO2 I will reuse the motorized setup again using Tuner-C by moving the new Dual Tuner to the new DUO2. This just for having a peek now and then at all other satellites.

Enjoy the many setup and deployment possibilities of your Solo2!
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That's a great explanation, shame we have not got a working blackhole wiki because that is wiki worthy!

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boyofford said:
At the moment I've got two satellites connected to tuner B via a diseqc switch, if I connect a one of the satellites to tuner A in addition to this will that work?
I.e. can watch either satellite while recording from tuner A
But can only watch one satellite while recording channel of satellite only attached to the diseqc switch?

Actually, I'll just try it and see what happens LOL.

Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk 2
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Well.... It works!
One satellite connected to tuner A in simple, single mode.
And two satellites connected to tuner B via a DiSEqC switch in simple, DiSEqC A/B mode.

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Nice Monkey said:
The best way to look at it is as having 2 receivers. You can configure each tuner completely independently from each other as with 2 receivers. The box has a preference for Tuner-A though which is transparant for most setups. If what you ask the box to do is not available via Tuner-A (because it has no access to that channel or beacuse it is busy doing already something else for you) it tries Tuner-B (or Tuner E or D) . If the resource is not accessible via any tuner available then the channels will be grayed in the bouquet view.
Via Tuner Sharing the BH images can even share various Tuner-resources via an inhouse Ethernet network.

Be aware multiple channels may be available concurrently via the same transponder, this likelihood goes up having a Dual Tuner setup. So recording on more that one channel and still viewing something else on another satellite is possible under the right conditions. You may use PIP also to try this out.

Playback never uses a tuner resource. The hard disk is fast enough to do this in parallel too. So you always will be able to record 2 channels on different satellites and playback anything else.

Each Tuner setup can be simple or advanced. For up to 4 satellites via a 2-port or 4-port Diseq switch a simple setup will normally do fine. For more complex setups and Motorised Setups advanced is needed. You may mix both types as well. If you combine a fixed and a motorised setup the last should go to Tuner-B as you want to take advantage of the instant satellite switching on the fixed setup on Tuner-A.
I tried the above on a Dual Tuner UNO which behaves identically to a Solo2. If I get a DUO2 I will reuse the motorized setup again using Tuner-C by moving the new Dual Tuner to the new DUO2. This just for having a peek now and then at all other satellites.

Enjoy the many setup and deployment possibilities of your Solo2!
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Hi Nice Monkey, good explanation. Perhaps you can shed some light on the following:


Tuner configuration problem.
My setup is 2 dishes with 19.2/13.0 (dish 1) and 23.5/28.2 (dish 2) on, DiSeqc switches and dual LNBs so that I have two cables feeding the A and B tuners. On Blackhole 1.7.9 Everything worked perfectly and I could record 4 channels at the same time.

I upgraded to Blackhole 2.0.3 and now I cannot record more than 1 channel at a time.(This upgrade means you lose all personal settings, they cannot be resorted)

On BH 179 I had both tuners configured separately but exactly the same. I tried this on BH 203 and also with tuner B “equal to A”. I made sure that both tuners were working and receiving signals by first configuring tuner A with “nothing connected” and testing tuner B and then the other way around.
Both tuners are configured as follows: (I have a Vu+ Duo twin tuner box)
Simple
DiSeqc A/B/C/D
19.2
13.0
23.5
28.2
yes
no
Can you or anyone help me by explaining what I can do to get things working?
 
Lateron said:
Hi Nice Monkey, good explanation. Perhaps you can shed some light on the following:


Tuner configuration problem.
My setup is 2 dishes with 19.2/13.0 (dish 1) and 23.5/28.2 (dish 2) on, DiSeqc switches and dual LNBs so that I have two cables feeding the A and B tuners. On Blackhole 1.7.9 Everything worked perfectly and I could record 4 channels at the same time.

This should work as I am doing almost the same on a Dual tuner Uno.
First verify that things work or don't work with with FTA (Free To Air) channels. I mean concurrent recordings.
If that works with HD the problem is in the decoding area. SD and HD may show different results! You may also try PIP and watch another HD channel.
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Running 2.03 with my complex 13 LNB setup and everything working fine.
I guess you have done some wrong, or a component does not work (LNB/switch etc)

This should work fine.

Tuner A --> 4/1 Diseqc --> Dish1 13.0
...................................| --> Dish1 19.2
...................................| --> Dish2 23.5
...................................| --> Dish2 28.2

Tuner B --> 4/1 Diseqc --> Dish1 13.0
...................................| --> Dish1 19.2
...................................| --> Dish2 23.5
...................................| --> Dish2 28.2

For this you need 4 double LNB, 2 dish and 2 4/1 diseqc

Edit:
Since here both tuners have same hardware config, set TunerB=TunerA
 
Jotne said:
Running 2.03 with my complex 13 LNB setup and everything working fine.
I guess you have done some wrong, or a component does not work (LNB/switch etc)

This should work fine.

Tuner A --> 4/1 Diseqc --> Dish1 13.0
...................................| --> Dish1 19.2
...................................| --> Dish2 23.5
...................................| --> Dish2 28.2

Tuner B --> 4/1 Diseqc --> Dish1 13.0
...................................| --> Dish1 19.2
...................................| --> Dish2 23.5
...................................| --> Dish2 28.2

For this you need 4 double LNB, 2 dish and 2 4/1 diseqc

Edit:
Since here both tuners have same hardware config, set TunerB=TunerA
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Thank you Jotne.
The setup you describe is what I have exactly. I have tried tuner A = tuner B without seeing anything different. I did a hard reset and tried again. The problem has gone somewhat but now I have a slightly different one: Whilst recording Roland Garos tennis (timer set to record 10 hours) my daily news timer (set for 28 minutes) started and finished. However, try as I might I cannot see a picture or hear sound from the recorded news program. When just recording news by itself (as I automatically do each day) there is no problem in play back.
I have been at this for days and days and days. I have decided to go back to BH 1.7.9 which did not give me all these problems.
Anyway, thank you for your input.
 
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